1961 66. we collected for pagan babies, but we never got to name them, and there was no box that folded out. I do agree that the biggest thrill was the goal of the reward of getting to actually choose a name for an unknown child & therefore beat our class opponents! Back in the 1950s and early-1960s, and Bonus question: Did children in Europe collect coins for the pagan babies? "Wasn't there a bridge we had to get them over. When the principal had signed on to a candy sale fundraising scheme because the promotion companys salesman gave him a stereo system as a gift to grease the wheels , the salesman spoke to the students for a few minutes at the morning assembly . I had one certificate for In fourth grade I was finally old enough to see the movies they showedwith shots of real lepers and starving children. The money collected in the United States went to help feed, clothe and educate them. And my mother prayed. The concept, Someone spilled the beans , I think , or he bragged to the wrong person just what he had done . Here a pagan ; there a pagan . 4. muddymoose 4 mo. This is a serious problem. And yet sometimes the answer was as simple as getting down on hands and knees to join the woman scrubbing the floor, to learn her technique and listen to her story. And so I traveled to Guaymas in the Sonoran desert expecting to accomplish great things. I only have one question , he said . Explore . We, the four oldest who got those tiny banks with a coin slot in the top, were convinced that our small amounts of money (most of which we found on the street while walking home from school, a lot of pennies) would buy us a Little Brown Pagan Baby that we would name Harry (I don't remember why) and that Jesus would love us for that purchase. - Betty L. But , heres the thing : When the class had five dollars then that class got to name a pagan baby . . I actually went to St Charles, but attended Corpus Cristi mass once in awhile. Its a great way to perform works of mercy or give alms during Lent or find a family charity. James Dingwall picked that name and the girls immediately protested! Labeling any baby pagan, much less sweeping into this category all foreign children of color, makes me look back with embarrassment. That means that many of our grandbabies are pagan babies! I remember my Grandparents joking about it in the '70s. What does it look like to be conquered by the fire of Christs gaze, as Benedict XVI described? You know the drill . EIN 27-4581132 Give a Gift SubscriptionBless friends, family or clergy with a gift of the Register. Love Your Sister While the circumstances, the cost, and the rewards varied from parish to parish, most Catholic children of the 1960s saved at least one pagan baby. What exactly we learned from this could be disputed. . When did this extremely non-PC term stop being used? babies. catholic school 1978-1991. . The Holy Childhood Association got many of the basics right: it introduced me to global realities of poverty and need, to notions of privilege and responsibility. A recent Pew Research Center study revealed that much of Christianity is significantly losing members. There is in the heart of every priest, and I hope in the heart of every Christian, the longing to be a missionary, to be a proclaimer of the Good News to the ends of the earth, he said. I hope my Pagan Baby, Elizabeth Cecilia, is alive and well. Kids', toddler, & baby clothes with Pennies For designs sold by independent artists. That summer in Guaymas, I learned that people in poverty needed more than goodwill, and that social justice was not a simple matter of collecting spare change and sending it off to the right folks. When I was in the fifth or sixth grade, a neighbor who was my age, took 12 books of S & H Green Stamps ( remember those ) and contributed them to the pagan babies program. I am not the age youre looking for, though, because I am > 50. It sure wouldnt work on the savvy kids of today. I still think of those days and have many wonderful memories. Pagan babies may have disappeared from collection boxes but they started showing up in our families. We sold The Tidings , which was the L.A. Archdiocese newspaper , and there were prizes . One guy talked about confession when he was in third grade. We maybe learned a little about giving though ? These babies, we were told, didnt know God. Many of those kids still have their adoption certificate, like Bob They folded out . Then we got a certificate and the children got a medal. Ah , yeah . We were wondering how much trouble Cary would get into . Thanks for the comment . Shed be about 70 now! I should have asked them if they had ever run into any pagan named Herman . "Pagan Babies": Orphan Imagery in the Passionist China Collection and the Emergence of American Sympathy for the Chinese in the Early Twentieth Century Margaret Kuo Published 3 July 2019 History The Chinese Historical Review Pagan babies, we all understood in the 50s, were babies born to parents who did not believe in a monotheistic (1 god) religion, because they had not yet received any instruction. those babies. That reflects a certain dignified sincerity on your part , I think . I went to Marymount Jr. School (on Sunset) and we were all sent home to canvas the neighborhood in Brentwood for heavens sake, to sell pagan babies! And the fact that you great people, so distinguished, so esteemed, would be here this evening to rally around this sacred responsibility of missions, what a source of inspiration and joy.. You stir up a lot of old memories for me , too . Im sure thats where the money went. I dont remember . I served lunch to old people and I received so many compliments from the old people that I thought that I was a goner . I assume that all of the other Catholic schools in the archdiocese were doing the same thing . Another thing at every Catholic school in those days were collections to save pagan babiesunbaptized children not taught about God. They folded out . But for five dollars we could play Name That Pagan Baby . Theyd say, Whats in it for me?. Despite its apparent condescending tone at times, it instilled a radical sense of urgency in children that we are responsible for one another.. The bookstore is receiving pro bono legal services from ADF for the lawsuit. In the book, Pope Francis also addresses corruption at the Vatican, abuses committed by members of the Church, the COVID-19 pandemic, Russias invasion of Ukraine, among other topics. As for the naming part, while it seemed charming at the time, if it really were true, how outrageous for us to name an African baby Mary Margaret or other Western name. I thought they would all come in a box and be distributed at the end of the school year. She went to Catholic school too, and I dont know if they had pagan babies then, but I bet they did. I too went to Catholic School in CA, and we definitely collected money for the Pagan babies. I well remember my days as a grade schooler at St. Helenas School in Philly. The nuns encouraged us to bring in our pennies and when we saved up five bucks, bingo!, we bought a baby. It was probably a good lesson in giving for us little ones ; but , the money - probably not a huge sum overall - ? We can smile at it now at perhaps how silly it was, Father Small said. When Oblate Father Andrew Small asked who remembered them at the inaugural World Mission Dinner in New York, a few hands went up, mostly belonging to people with gray hair. Th. Yeah . The teacher lobbied for her but I still refused . So then there was an ethical issue that , in some elementary way , even we students recognized . My family Lived out that way. The students would sell candy bars for a dollar each and , depending on how many each child sold , he or she would win prizes . And one final thought: we cant always get our loved ones to practice the faith, but we can offer our alms up for their conversions while benefiting others. decided it was no longer a good way to raise money for Catholic missions. The church doesnt have a mission. In the background it shows mosques, pagodas, etc, all the better to drive home the horrors wed saved him from. Each in his or her own way has been a missionary of the Gospel of Christ. Ill bet you remember those . The missionary spirit was evident as Pontifical Mission Societies honored three people at the May 2 gala. It was called Adopt-A-Pagan-Baby. I think there were religious pix on the stamps. Pictures of Cherub-faced Indian, African, and Asian babies graced small cardboard Thank God someone sent this information to me and redeemed my sanity. What memories. When you get to heaven have it in your pocket . and if we sell ten of them , Charlie continued unperturbed , we get a pencil case ., And if we sell twenty , we get something else that none of us really wants . For a baby girl, Sister always pushed us to choose Mary something - Mary Beth, Mary Alice, Mary Margaret, Mary Catherine, Mary Jane, whatever. Catholic Dopers >age 50- does the term "pagan babies" ring a bell? We too raised $$ for pagan babies. Pagan ,pagan, pagan . Some we're pretty outrageous!" Im sure that Beverley Anne is fine and doing well . "Thats what I remember. Each pagan baby cost five dollars. If we sold a certain amount wed get a plastic statue of Mary and Jesus. Thanks for the comment . I won the [ now I really dont remember which of the above things I won ] but a classmate wanted to exchange her prize , the other thing , for mine . Im still a San Franciscan, but boy has everything changed. Boys usually purchased boys, and girls purchased girls. . "I also had a Pagan Baby; I regret to say I haven't kept in touch with him." My mother was horrified. At the end of the semester, the class that had accumulated the most donations was awarded a prize. I think it has something to do with the "Poor starving babies overseas" that people send money to when they donate at Church, but I'm not sure. Gotta laugh about it now. Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. These days, instead of collection boxes we can use apps. It is Catholic mission crowd-funding,making it easy to support those givingspiritual and material comfort to the sufferingand marginalized . What did we kids know ! I think the Catholic church needed better PR people back then. But Im a bit cynical . Glad that I could kick up some dust . We believed that somewhere in the world would be a pagan with a stupid name chosen by the silly students of Corpus Christi Catholic School . Servant of God Mother Mary Lange and the Rich History of Black Catholic Religious Orders, Ukrainian Soldier Saved by Praying the Rosary, Priest Recounts, As We Forgive: Lenten Pastoral Note From Archbishop Samuel Aquila of Denver, A Lasting Trail of Light: The Witness of Pedro Ballester. I remember how exciting it was when the Pagan Baby certificate was delivered. Order Bulk SubscriptionsGet a discount on 6 or more copies sent to your parish, organization My grandmother gave me $5 to buy my My nephew's school is doing "Pennies for Puerto Rico". Especially loud clunkers could turn heads and ignite giggles. I also remember something about a bridge It cost $5.00. On the other hand, the central charitable action of my generationsaving and naming pagan babieswas clearly a fiction (I mourn those African Karens), one that reinforced my American sense of exceptionalism and arrogance. Seen the movie Mea Culpa? I pictured the dozens of Karens I had saved growing up safely somewhere in Africa. for missions in foreign lands. Needless to say, by the time I graduated from Dominican there wasnt an iota of true Catholicism left in me, other than the bit I faked for a while to protect my Moms feeling. The whole Pagan Babies thing was a big deal every year and resulted in a lot of competition among the 50+ pupils in Sr. Madeline Sophies 2nd grade class. Well , I havent met any pagan (baby) Davids running around , but no pagan (baby) Patricias , either . We all nodded and agreed. Gaming. I was not called to be a full-time missionary. Pagan Babies is classic crime fiction from the master of suspense, Ne. He chose Herman . MISSION CALLArchbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, apostolic nuncio to the United States, right, was among the notable guests at the first World Mission Dinner. Ask the deities of your pantheon to watch over the residents of your home. Some had a lot more than others. Cardinal Theodore E. McCarrick, retired archbishop of Washington; best-selling author Mary Higgins Clark; and television commentator Larry Kudlow were named 2012 pontifical ambassadors for mission. In most classrooms to encourage donations, the nuns pitted the boys against the girls. But how ? Being a Jewish kid born and raised in South Philadelphia, I never heard about Pagan Babies until I married my Catholic Bride. I may have turned into a pagan . In order to raise money for the missions, the grade school students were asked to bring in pennies and nickels to save a Pagan Baby. - Mary A. print and digital media outlets, dedicated to reporting the truth in light of the Gospel and the Other notable guests included Cardinal Sean OMalley, Archbishop of Boston; Bishop Bejoy DCruze of Sylhet, Bangladesh; actor Andy Garcia, who stars in the film For Greater Glory, which opens June 1; and Noel Campbell, who rode Amtrak for three days from the Coeur DAlene Indian Reservation in northwest Idaho to New York to attend the event. - Sharon S. Come back 60 years ago and well ask the teacher for one ; but now , I dont know . It may speed things up . I keep asking her where MY money was! monetization of National Catholic Register RSS feeds is strictly prohibited. They were no doubt common . The Church doesnt have a mission. For a boy we were expected to choose a name like Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. I named all my pagan babies after my cousin Karen, who had died at age 2. Thanks for the interest. Charlie Bloomquist , of course , had a question . sacraments. The only money we collected in little paper boxes was for UNICEF and to be perfectly honest, Im not even entirely sure what UNICEF is. We were sitting on the floor anyway, but soon we were all (the Catholics) rolling on the floor laughing our heads off! I thought the amount was $10, but $5 does sound more realistic. I just found yur comment .). Thanks for the comment. Glad to have confirmed this for you , John . An interactive website will feature video interviews with some of the former pagan babies, now nuns, priests and catechists in their homelands. I kept a large plastic Seagrams Seven bottle bank in my room at home that I put all my loose change into to save up for stuff I wanted and an occasional pagan baby. With touching little pictures of hungry children. My friend Sue, a Lutheran by way of Methodism cant get head around buying pagan babies. Elementary There is in the heart of every priest, and I hope in the heart of every Christian, the longing to be a missionary, to be a proclaimer of the good news to the ends of the earth, he said. Those were the days , eh ? That $5.00 bought you naming rights. Pagan Babies is classic crime fiction from the master of suspense, New York Times bestselling author Elmore Leonard. Had more than one Jewish family in Brentwood slam their door me. Thanks for a trip down memory lane and validating my recollection. This made my day. My parents and the good (well mostly good) sisters tried the best they could based on their beliefs. I suspect that Patricia never named them after you , David . Remember getting a whack across the face at your Confirmatin? Yeah! Stories ensued. In Scotland, around 1966 or so, there was something similar in primary school (which one attends from age approx 5 to approx 12, and this school was not R.C. Save that document. The oldest nun asked : Any questions , children ? The money collected in the United States went to help feed, clothe and educate them. Or for the poor, underprivileged kids in the USA? is the gateway to life in the Spirit, and the door which gives access to the other Maybe they had sales during the year at times. She said she named them after me. - Mary Ellen M. In addition we'd go and bless our herbs in the garden and around on Midsummer and then harvest them for John's night or the night before depending on the weather. He didnt say that the big winner was the salesman himself , who had spent only a couple of hours with the principal and with the students but now had three hundred children who would be desperately trying to sell his candy for the next two weeks . We gave our allowances to save those babies. I have often wondered whatever happened to my pagan baby Beverly Anne. I always thought it was amazing that I could have this baby and name her and feed her forever! SubscribeStart your Register subscription today. I still say none of that money ever got beyond the archdiocese downtown , certificate or no certificate . ago. My mom was not into that kind of stuff. I smell the mendacity in this room ! Two stories I recall from those days: one boy in my room kept bringing in UNBELIEVABLY large amounts every day (. More and more babies are not getting baptized or raised in the faith. But I was in the mist of all of the Catholic Truths and those truths just werent ringing true to me. I can still see the certificates posted above the blackboards. Learn how your comment data is processed. Biographies are listed below: 1. The mission has a Church, Cardinal Dolan reminded his guests in his opening remarks. Written right on the top of the looseleaf paper, smack dab in the middle. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, 5.00 together, we got to buy and name a pagan baby. That bring back memories!" on a regular basis. I went to a public school. Its funny no one knew about Pagan Babies , though . And finally they finished . Sign up for 6 Free IssuesTry us out with a free trial subscription. Please email comments to [emailprotected] and join the conversation on our Facebook page. We all started reminiscing together as if we attended the same school! Sports. probably denoting how much money was collected. The mission has a church,' Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York reminded his guests in opening remarks. Its a mystery! Through the years, I have often wished I HAD one of those certificates as I have told the story about them to others and NO one seems to BELIEVE IT! Here is Sister Mary Michael Archangel giving medicine to the pagans . There were no poor pagan babies to be pitied in Guaymas. As a promotion, MISSIO is offering a chance to win a trip to Rome. I went to Catholic grade school at St. Amelias for 8 years. If they're actually disabled, they can file the application with the city to get a handicap spot installed. The missionary spirit was evident as Pontifical Mission Societies honored three people at the gala. My first lessons in social justice came through saving pagan babies. I guess we survived . Father Andrew Small, O.M.I., national director of the Pontifical Mission Societies and host of the evening, welcomes the archbishop. Were they some mythic group like the starving kids in China, Hungary, Elsewhere who would have been happy to have your brussels sprouts? Names chosen for each baby were REQUIRED to be the names of bonefide saints, beatified by process through Rome. Show. They felt the tuition they were paying was plenty. The civil right movement was a much better teacher than The Catholic School system. Renew or manage your subscription here. Because we purchased Pagan Babies for five dollars a head, on a regular basis. Resurrection When I was in grade school prior to ~1961 in Catholic school, we collected money (our little pittances of coins) for some vague, needy group covered by the catch-all term pagan babies.* Were collecting money for the pagan babies?* As I recall, there were little paper boxes that we saved our coins in and then turned them in to someone periodically. It is so very true the whole Pagan baby scam my mom complained to the principal about how us kids were made to feel guilty for not coming up with the cash every day some of the richer kids would buy 10s of these Pagan babies I think we came close to sponsoring an entire small tribe in those days, Funny as hell reading this story great memories! A friend of mine, from back in the 80s, played guitar in a band with that name (weird thing about that is, hes Jewish). Pagan babies are certainly a uniquely Catholic childhood memory! I was JUST telling my son about Pagan Babies when I was a little girl! I am a Catholic of a certain age, a graduate of parochial school, and a former member of the Association of the Holy Childhood. Im sure we had to change it to Richard, but in our hearts he was our little Ringo. Its a wonderful window on the old days , isnt it ? We wonder where those name choices really went . Thanks . Christianity is significantly losing members. As a first grade student at St.Aloysius in Wilkes-Barre, PA circa 1969, pagan babies were part of our extreme Catholic instruction. Your description is how I remember things! This brings back a memory now. Every month after the money was collected, a students name was randomlypicked out of a bag with the chosen name becoming the Pagan Baby of the Month. Certificates were horizontally displayed above the green & yellow cursive writing examples atop the blackborads. OK, fair enough, it was about charity for this or that African country, but it so much stank of colonialism. Hello Mike. Her salvation was purchased for $5 at Holy Name of Jesus School in Fishtown, Philadelphia, PA. And I totally forgot about those Pagan babies and I thought no were not, then I asked her what is a pagan baby LOL Im still not quite sure either haha that was a great story. Charlie stood up to his full height of about four foot three , his head held high , a serious look on his face . More than one-third of millennials now say they are unaffiliated with any faith. What do we do , Sister , what do we do ? What was written on the boxes? Even though I later went on to become a Catholic priest (and later resigned and married), my robust suspicion that Catholicism did not have all the answers began to take root way back in my young Catholic boyhood. Anybody have some spare change ? Just saw this very entertaining thread. ( Sorry for the delay. Congratulations for moving on and helping children in other countries. NEW YORK They were called pagan babies, an appellation that would never be used today. Yeah . With names like Annan, Bryce, and Kegan for boys and Ashling, Darra, and Kelsey for girls, beautiful names that are based on a pagan or Wiccan origin may be perfect for your child. All of this went out the window in my belief system a few years later, when i began to understand political realities, had a more sophisticated notion of the universe and got very tired of having philosophical questions answered by Its a mystery. My favorite question was: If God can do anything, can he create a rock so heavy he himself cannot lift it? It is a few years after the genocide of the Tutsis by the Hutus.. Father Terry lives in Rwanda with his girlfriend Chantelle. I dont think he really believed me. Remembering a Different A-to-Z Challenge | No Facilities. Anyway , we never got pictures of our pagan babies . 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